Ah, good times ;)

At the very least the avatar pictures were better ;)

Nah, I didn't upvote it. No idea who did.

I just can't see why; wasn't persuasive, at all.

Oh. That's funny. Is it possible you upvoted that argument with one of those accounts and now you are telling yourself you should be ashamed?

Master Kage / Cynical

Same account with a name change, and this one, because both of those names are just beyond terrible. I'll probably think the same of this one down the line, but whatever.

How many accounts do you have?

Fair enough. Just looking at few of my past comments, though, man...

I really can't believe just how dumb I was, especially in my earliest posts where I tried to appear (putting it mildly) not-so-stupid. I have no idea what I was thinking.

Can't imagine how much I would cringe looking through all the dumb shit I posted.

It's been 4 years. I think it is time to let that election go. ;)

Whoever upvoted this should be ashamed.

Jesus Christ! Last year Avesatana (or what ever the fuck his name is) had to add up the votes....I guess I can do it this time.

No idea but good things come to those who wait. ;)

Err.... any idea when the winners are going to be announced?? I mean, there were meant to be like a month ago o.O

How about a category for the kindest, gentler, troll ;)

I nominate hellno.

I'm interested to know how you arrived at this conclusion.

Let's see... Genetic fallacy, and association fallacy.

Great!! Sorry I was beginning to wonder whether I was being excluded xD

Good luck with the cleanup by the way :)

Categories coming tonight! Right now I am cleaning up from a nasty spammer.

OK after a week I must be missing something... Shouldn't the Sanppies have started by now..?!

You reason that naive realism leads to someone producing unsound logic.

I'm interested to know how you arrived at this conclusion.

I'm aware, but it does lead to someone producing unsound logic.

I'm not sure of what context you base it on in considering Grugore for the title, but naive realism is not a logical fallacy.

There have been a number of instances where you were able to skillfully convey your point in a short, elegant response.

I think you have the ability to do this more often… I don’t blame you for attempting to elaborate things to a generally dimwitted audience.

(Psst.... Hey SOL, when's the categories comin' out..?!)

Yayyy the snappys, finally what I've been waiting :D Highlight of the year!

Mmm.. oh.....

Looking forward to seeing this tomorrow.

Wow, I didn't use an emoticon at the end of a sentence. Now it looks like I'm angry...

Mmmmnnn... I'm back now, so it's OK xD

Jungleson where the fuck have you been ?

(Shhh, buddy.. You're spoiling the fun....)

Whats the point? Theres only like 3 serious debators left on this site anyways and about 10 regular users including those 3. so either people are going to get 5 awards each in which case theyre meaningless or everyone will get one by default, which again would be meaningless

I'll go on a bitch rant and start being very irrational screaming " aahhhhh you're all just bigots and you;re awful people!"

Wait, do you mean that you will lash out against those who attack these groups for being who they are, or that you will lash out against anyone who attacks these kinds of people regardless of why?

I so agree. :) .

Hells yeah. I agree. .

Hmm...

Most logical arguments or Most Witty debater.

I'd like to see the latter ;)

Andy should have a t-shirt for himself too :)

they are so long but unlike others comments thousandin1's comments have a meaning :)

Grugore for naive realism pls.

Probably not :b just an amusing coincidence of dates, really

I like this one.

But, I don't know if you will get the birthday recognition you are craving, if I can critique the rest of your post. Hehe ;)

How about "Most Likely to have a logical fallacy named after him/her?"

Best/Worst profile picture.

You certainly do have many novellas to pick from.

He probably has an Irish heritage .

Yes, basically I am giving you a 2013 and 2014 no matter what for your patience.

With these...basically everyone who was supposed to get one last year will get two!

Most likely to critique a poster who they agree with:

I nominate cartman and pakicetus.

Also: September 21 is my birthday! Vote me for something funny and call it a birthday gift! It's the 10th anniversary of my 21st birthday.

I started out typing a very long response denying that my posts were long, but it got too repetitious even for me!

Besides, I have enough novellas on here that a couple short ones won't likely give someone else the lead :b

With posts like that, you aren't helping yourself. My original post wasn't long enough to submit. Hehe ;)

And here I thought I was a stellar example of brevity!

Longest average post:

I nominate Thousandin1

I was lurking the past few days, wondering when this was going to get posted. Irrelevant, I know, but anyone have the backstory on Andy's avatar change?

I think he is assuming you will win another one this year.

Andy has my vote for The Most Patient Award. .

Gay people

Lesbian people

Atheist people

Ethnic minorities

Pro-choice debaters

People I just tend to like

Errrr...... Thats about it ;)

Both* ?? When did I win two..? I remember I got "most serious" last year, but i was unaware I got two....!

Jungleson, yes that is my fault. You will get both this year!

Rip-off!!!

I'm still waiting on my shirt from last year xD

Yes, you can win that one with everyone else. It was my fault. Sorry!

Most Likely To Forget About this in a Week or so, Only to Come Back Later and Ask On What They Missed On

I nominate pakicetus

I nominate another...

Most/least Creative debate maker

Most/least factual debater

Most/least enjoyable to debate with

Best/worst debate

Most/least contributing debater

Most/least insightful debater

Most/least Mysterious/anonymous debater

Silliest/most serious debater

HEY!!!! I resemble that remark ;)

Most Likely to Add a Category that will Get Them a Snappy Tee-Shirt:

I nominate Hellno.

Most Likely to Answer any Religious Debate:

I nominate Srom and Jc (if that bitch is still around)

Damn, I will try.

I nominate Joecavalry for silliest debater, and most points.

Most Likely to NOT Receive His Snappy Tee-shirt From LAST Year:

I nominate Hellno.

Cool! Good luck bro, I don't think Dana has a job so she has one leg up on you.

It's not really a compliment but, whatevs.,

Most Likely to Copy Some Lame Joke from the Internet (uberhumor) and Post it Here:

I nominate joecavalry.

I nominate johnny5 for feistiest debater .

Most Likely to Freak Out and Cuss You Out if You Say Something Against Gay People:

I nominate Jungle-Boy (aka Jungelson)

I would gladly take that award.

I didn't think this way happening because it usually happens in July the voting, and then August was the results.

Andy, also when are you going to start handing out last year's snappy T-Shirts?

Most Likely to Ignore the Debate Subject and Just Praise Jesus:

I nominate Srom.

Most Likely to Still be a Virgin during the 2025 Snappies:

I nominate Prodigee or what the fuck name he's going by now.

I like this choice for category.

Most Likely to be Online:

I nominate Cartman and Dana.

If you are born from two human parents then no matter where the place of birth (Re Mars) you would still be human therefore not an alien.

However if said child was born on mars then that child would be a Martian just as a person born in China is Chinese.

Their kids who are born on Mars would be aliens.

While cultural (and eventually genetic) differences would likely develop over time were the colonists on mars completely isolated from earth culture and genes from earth, I don't find that scenario likely.

Establishing a colony on Mars would be a massive undertaking, logistically speaking. Barring significant advances in many fields, the colony would remain reliant upon Earth for a number of things.

Furthermore, given conditions on Mars, it's not something that we would be likely to undertake just for its own sake; the colony would be established primarily for research, with mining (assuming sufficient concentrations to warrant the cost of shipping it) and goods production (taking advantage of conditions on mars vs those on earth, and making the same cost-benefit assumptions re: mining). As such, I would expect the colony to remain more or less in constant contact with earth, and most likely there would be somewhat regular arrivals and departures to and from earth.

Given all that, I expect that cultural and genetic drift would be minimized, if present at all. This would prevent the colony from becoming aliens in respect to their compatriots on earth.

Total isolation of the colony is extremely unlikely, but were it to occur without also killing off all the colonists, I would expect cultural differences to arise within a few generations, but still not genetic ones. Remember- genetic drift is slow, and faster changes are almost always in response to selective pressure, and the selective pressure on prospective colonists would not be from Mars' conditions, but rather from the earth-like conditions created for them to survive under; we're already quite well suited to these conditions, so I wouldn't expect much in the way of genetic change for a very, very long time, and only at the somewhat random whims of genetic drift.

Now, the colonists on mars would be alien insofar as any life on mars is concerned, but is that meaningful or relevant in the absence of sentient or even large-scale life? I took the debate to be referring to them being aliens in respect to humans, as being alien in respect to martians would seem to require some martians.

Final answer: Possibly, but most likely No.

An Alien is a being from another world and eventually other generations we would consider them from being from Mars not Earth.

Yes, and it is possible that they will someday have their own form of government that is completely independent from mother earth

we'd be aliens to life (if there is any) on mars. so yes. in different respects, we'd be aliens. they(the life on mars) would be aliens to us too, from the position of an earthling ;)

The original settlers wouldn't but their children would.

Is voting still going on? Well anyways, I'm going to go with ShoutOutLoud.

Well thanks, you made an effort, and for that i am grateful! most people just think of the word 'jungle' and spell it like that :L

Haha I had to check first, but yep!

Ahhh and you spelled my name right!!!!!

I nominate Jungelson for that crocodile.

Holy. it stands for holy. And this conversation is most time consuming, for what of some better words..!

Mickey Mouse (this was just a test)

Well that's me but I don't count myself as a liberal :)

Yeah, says the teen mom. What the hell is your point ?

Says the teen mom. .