Im actually going to agree with this and upvote it, despite the fact that i disgree with his views on almost every level, i have to admit the man is an excellent debator, ive wanted to continue debating him but he doesnt seem to respond to me anymore.

I can see all the spelling errors i leave i just dont give a fuck, but ya cheers!!!, i will.

I amdmit the animal testing was more about me looking for an argument than actually disagreeing with yo but i still think you had a soft touvh approach to the issue but i fully understand why you were a bit bemused by my disagreement, i love arguing and i was just trying to use you to get my daily dose.

I wouldn't exactly call that an insult, it wasn't that disrespectful to you personally it was soley based on your political opinions which i still have to atke issue with, if you knew the kind of suffering you were giving your tacit support to you would take it back immediately i assure you.

Im not gonna fly off the handle im irish we are very docile mild mannered people with a very calm stable temperment.

I have to challenge you on the info. though, while i admit i there is an outside chance i may have presented something that wasn't 100% accurate (i.e. i sid in previous debate that the distribution of wealth in america was a 90/10 split between rich and poor when in fact it may be 80/20, im not which is true i never found out, the), the piont is while i obviously could have presented something completely false i have to disagree(and not becuase im arrogant) as i do put effort into finding out what the correct info. is and i dont present anything as a fact unless i think i am fully sure of it, but you may be correct i have to acknowledge the possibility.

Look i know how to take a joke beleive me but when someone insinuates that i come here and write a load of completely made up and tryb to pass it off as fact i have to take offense to that.

You're goning to have to back that accusation up with some eveidence, otherwise you'll look very foolish for making it.

Heres my elaboration on what i actually meant just incase you didn't read it:

Aside:

You misunderstand what im trying to say, when i quote FACTS they are facts, when i give my opinion i can be as wrong as anyone else on this site but i dont make anything up to support my arguments, thats all i meant, im sorry you felt i mean that im always right,and that everything i say is correct, that would be a ridiculous assertion for anyone to make

End of Aside

Now if you want to take issue with my claim that all the facts ive presented are facts then please instead of resorting to childish ridicule you could actually challenge me on somehting i claimed to be true i.e. presented as a fact that is actually completely false and made up just to prove a point.

I admit i have dabbled in a fair bit of speculation on this site some of which has been proved correct e.g. i claimed back in Februaury when debating (although thats a generous way of putting it) Joe that the US government was torturing private Bradley Manning in order that he implicate Julian assange (i.e. say he forced him to give him the info. he received as then they could build a convincing case against assange), since then alot of information has been circulated corroborating this (see below just what i found with a quick google search):

http://philippathomas.wordpress.com/2011/03/10/the-state-department-spokesman-and-the-prisoner-in-the-brig/

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2011/mar/11/bradle

y-manning-wikileaks

http://www.blackagendareport.com/category/department-war/bradley-manning-tortured

http://workersoutlook.blogspot.com/2011/ 04/gay-american-soldier-bradley-manning.html

http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20101215/09551812291/us-is-apparently-torturing-bradley-manning-despite-no-trial-no-conviction.shtml

My piont is if im speculating or giving an opinion im not stupid enough to say its a fact, when say something is factual i have credible evidnce to back it up. Now instead of being an ignorant asshole who can't stomach anybodies opinion who go against his own why not producing the evidence that shows when and where i lied PLEASE.

It was a suggestion my friend you dont have to take it that way but whatever, i can tell now im really wasting my time.

Go right ahead, if you honestly deep down in your heart think that this world would be a better place without me on it, then go foe the gusto, tell me to slip into a nice warm bath with two rusty ravor baldes at my wrists. Im a cynical bastard and ive been shaped that way, and im not gonna change (whether id like to or not).

You misunderstand what im trying to say, when i quote FACTS they are facts, when i give my opinion i can be as wrong as anyone else on this site but i dont make anything up to support my arguments, thats all i meant, im sorry you felt i mean that im always right,and that everything i say is correct, that would be a ridiculous assertion for anyone to make.

"Fuck you Gary! I have always said that I give what I get."

I dont eveer remember telling you to fuck off, or calling you an idiot, or a lunatic, i admit i said you were indoctrinated (i also said i was to a lesser extent), i said you were delluded

Now as for telling you to hang yourself, i like to say i didn't mean but that would be a lie so im not going to, i did admit i misjudged you and for that i am sorry. You expressed view that struck at the core of my beliefs i.e. the right of Isreal to kill palestian civilians in order to furth er their colonisation of their land (i know thats not how you see it but the 500,000 settlers currently living on palestian land would argue that for me), i reacted in a way that shows me to be the cynical fuck that i am.

"You're an arrogant piece of shit that doesn't deserve my respect."

Nobody deserves anyones respect, respect is something that should be earned (in my opinion) and while i have probably done very little to earn yours i could say the same about you.

Of course i did, i said my spelling is better than yours because honestly but i obviously dont know, i just said that to piss you off after you insulted me, now lets get down it shall we, i dont throw insults at anyone who doesnt insult me first, you can check this on anyone of debates. Yes i have my arrogant opinions, and yes i am a headstrong stubborn person but i can admit when im wrong, and i give respect when i get it. I have yet to get any from you though.

You throw shit at me in th eform of insults and then call me arrogant when i throw it back, thats why said you were a hypocrite, and whats more i think its a perfectly valid criticism just like your arrogant label is perfectly valid when labelled against me.

I think you need to try to walk the line that you claim to have committed to i.e. being a respectful debator cause i can tell you as arrogant as ive been you been a hell of lot worse to me, and proof is in the pudding (or in our correspodance).

Of course you dont know what im taking about from day one you've castigated me for being too anti-american, i admit i deserved much of, i have been taking the piss by constantly coming on and discussing nothing else and i do regret that but you just dismissed me as lunatic earlier on and since then you've refused to even entertain anything i have to say.

What was that about needing spell check or working on my literary skills LOL

So you insult me by saying i have terrible spelling and then you get offended when i tell you its better than yours. Your unbelievable, and ontop of you say it to other people in order to drum up support for my "most arrogant" label.

Now i know why you used to get so upset and refuse to talk to me when i descirbed the hypocracy and double standards of the US, i think you can figure out what im getting at.

In your opinion im not playing with a full deck, i think you need a fresh perspective my friend but i dont think you know it.

"All of those little gems you've listed apply to you Garry."

Of course they do my friend, of course they do.

"I am always the same to my enemies, just as I am always kind to my friends."

Aren't we all, i dont think anyone would have any friend if they applied the opposite, thats a little redundant.

"You are not my friend Garry"

Does this mean i can't come to your birthday party.

"if you can muster enough brainpower to put that pint down first, ya slosh"

I'm not even sure what this is supposed to mean but im sure its golden lyrical wizardry just like everything else you write.

"Wrong! Anyone that knows me knows I'm anything but arrogant"

Arrogance comes in many guises, not listening to or taking someone seriously is a form of arrogance you have been guilty of on more than one occasion, look back through our correspondance and i think you'll agree you were guilt of this alot more than just once.

"And I'm calling bullshit on the rest of your post as well"

Of course you are, you wont take anything i say seriously, and you have the guile to call me arrogant. Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.

"I have no problem listening to things that are against America"

YES YOU DO!!!!!!! You think you dont cause you hear pundits running down certain aspects but you can't handle someone who really attacks your countries imperialism, if you could you would have challenged me on all those crazy accusations and lunatic rants im famous for.

BTW if you had you would have realised that most of them were correct but you wouldnt even etertaint he thought.

"That's all you do on this site is bash America"

This i admit to, it wasn't intentional but i couldnt let everyone get way with there convenient fantasies. I will branch out in future, dont worry, there'll be a completely different side to me.

"It makes you look like a lunatic"

I dont think i looh like a lunatic, i admit i am very passionate but you decided to label me a lunatic as you disagreed so fervently with what i had to say.

"I'm not the only one that has had this opinion Gary... there's at least a couple other people on this very post that have said as much."

Do you think i care, millions and millions of americans just celebrated the death of a terrorist that would never have existed had your government not created him, they celebrated a victory despite the fact that it was a loss. You think i have second thoughts about my feelings on this when i see all those people celebrating, give me a break.

I'm sorry you can't anything i say seriously, i think you'll find ive never said anything that was factually incorrect.

"Which views are those Gary? All of them I guess"

No not all but alot of them.

"well how lucky everyone on this site is to have the all knowing Gary to set them straight "

You can try to paint me and categorise me whatever way you want, it doesnt bother me, can see your trying to label me and probably trying to get others to agree with you, i dont mind.

"I despise arrogance and you are by far the most arrogant jackass on this site."

In your opinion i am the most arrogant jackass on this site, im sorry you're incapable of seeing or even admitting to your own folly.

Dont think ive forgotten about our debate ill be back when i have some free time, sorry for the delay.

"What we should do is collect all of you cocksucking traitors and then shove you out of C130's over meca with only your qurans to stop your fall.

Miserable shiteaters like you have no place in the United States Of America.

You've been fucked in the ass before, (this much is obvious), because you whine like a bitch.

Anal warts like yourself have NO PLACE in the world of men, only in the dark corridors of some buttfuck asylum.

You are a traitor, you piece of hogshit, just like your entire family before you.

I spit on you all, you cankered cunts."

Thats what you call witty? I knew you americans were crass but i thought you'd have a little bit more taste than that. This guy is an idiot, hes not witty, you clearly dont know what real wit is if you think that ignoramus has it, i think anyone who reads his posts will agree They dont change from the above), ive encountered him and hes always the same (see above).

No i dont i admit my views are extreme and yes i am anti-american, i admit it, but i dont dislike the people, im anti american government and im anti american corporatism.

Now you may say i dont you and your right, but i do know the views that you've expressed on this site, i also know very well how false they are and how wrong they are.

You can call me whatever you want my opinions although they may seem extreme at times are based in reality, its just a reality your not used to hearing about.

YOur entirely correct, i was intentionally arrogant there as i was responding to your insult. Im sorry if i come across arrogant, i admit i am a little, and i know it but i dont think im the most arrogant on this site, not by a long shot. Anyway if you knew me in real life you'd know im not actually an arrogant person most of the time, in fact i am repulsed by people who are, people who use there intelligence to enhance their egos, beleive ive had enough experience with them (maybe some has rubbed off but im working on it beleive me). I come from a relatiely poor family (at least on my mothers side who had 15 brothers and sisters and no father and grew up in the Ireland of yesteryear) and i know my roots, i dont appreciate being called arrogant even though i know i can be at times. Im trying not to be and in a way im glad you pionted it out.

I know exactly what you said Hellno, BTW if you knew you'd know my spelling is far better than your own, the difference is id don't spell check and it type very fast.

I just wanted to inform you that he can be disrespectful, as he was to me.

"Give me a break, I've seen very little of that on this site"

Of course YOU'VE seen very little of it on this site, im not even going to try to explain why i said that i know you can;'t tolerate what i have to say.

"Having said that I will at least give you a little credit as Ireland is fairly neutral "

Nationality is immaterial, you've never been able to grasp this.

" listed that on the other side... Most Arrogant"

I seen it after i posted.

I think your confusing your own arrogance for mine there. You were the one who just couuldnt stand to listen to anything that was remotely against america, the second id mention some of the grave atocities your country has commited you'd blow a fuse, label a jihadist lunatic and refuse to discuss the matter further.

My nomination for:

Fanatic: Bohemian

Selfinterested: Bohemian

Most incapable of feeling emotin for the causualties of his countries illegal actions: Ya ill leave you off on this one, although i was tempted.

Not true in fact. I had a debate with him where he was very disrespectful but in fairness to him once i infromed him of it he cleaned up his act alright.

I think your partner makes a very good point, let he who is without sin cast the first stone.

Im sorry you feel that, i hope you realise my continued america bashing was only rally intended to dampen down the rabid american nationalism present on this site, and to provide the other side of the story (theres always two you know). Plus given that i was one of very few i felt like i had to overcompnsate. BTW if think i deserve another award id like to hear what it is.

Hmmm...i wonder who your refering to in that fifth suggestion???

Firstly, thank you for your comment, i really appreciate the nomination (and the support in general). Hellno is correct i did tell him to kill himself it was in response to a comment by him in which he stated that Isreal should be allowed to use whatever force it wants in roder to protect itslef from the palestians. I took offense to this, given the consistent disproportionate suffering endured by the palestian people, and the slow and steady genocide being perpetrated against them.

The truth is im quite cynical, not naturally, my experiences have made me that way.I didn't even want to debate Hellno at the time i just wanted to let him know how much i disagreed with his sentiment.I admit many of opinions can seem extreme, especially to those who don'thold them but they are result of seing the effects of great suffering and injustice.